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Author | Topic: The 80- and 100-Page Giants |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Like the pertinacious arachnid in the famous story of Alfred the Great (or was it Robert the Bruce?) (or the New York Mets?), I have been obliged to re-spin favorite threads each time they came to grief. Now that we finally have a real actual DC Archives thread, I'm sure our every utterance will be as though graven in stone. In any event, I loved DC's 80- and 100-Page Giants during the 1960s and '70s and have been delighted by their revival, both the replicas of old favorites such as the 1963 Flash Annual and the "lost" items such as The Brave and the Bold and the forthcoming collection of Jack Kirby's Green Arrow stories. Beyond taking us senior citizens back to those halcyon times when we were limber and full of juice and knew how to get the best return on 25 cents, these books may serve to introduce younger readers to older material. Conceivably, having thus been lifted from their wretched state of ignorance and cultural deprivation, at least a few callow whippersnappers will then graduate to Flash or Green Lantern or Supergirl Archives, to their own immense enrichment and that of Time-Warner, thereby serving all of us who want the DC Archives line to thrive and expand. I hope to see a "lost" Wonder Woman Annual in 2002 and, somewhere down the road, the likes of DC Goes Ape (the ultimate gorilla collection) and Weird Secret Origins (Animal Man! The Doom Patrol! Eclipso!). I'd love to see re-issues of the all-villain Superman and Batman giants, and Jimmy Olsen's oddest physical transformations, and some comic comics, dammit -- Scribbly, Sugar and Spike, The Fox and the Crow, The Three Mouseketeers, The Inferior Five, Jerry Lewis meets Batman, etc. So, bring on the Giants! IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I have just discovered that Rob saved all of our threads from the commandeered Legends of the DC Universe and has restored them to us! So: never mind. IP: Logged |
India Ink Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I couldn't find the old 80/100 thread, so I'll post on this one. Howabout a "lost" 100 page DC Humour Super-Spectactular. My wish list: early 40s Shelley Mayer Scribbly (with Red Tornado) Since some of the above features often had very short (sometimes one page) tales, there should be enough room to squeeze 'em in. Throw in some of those half-page filler cartoons (like Casey the Cop) and maybe some stuff from Plop! and you got one jam-packed funny book. IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Hmm, you're right, the original 80-/100-Page Giant thread seems to have vanished into the ether. I like your idea of a 100-Page DC Funny Folks (whatever), though I'd try to squeeze in The Three Mouseketeers and maybe one of the Woozy solo stories, from the center pages of Plastic Man, which were often total thigh-slappers. And The Inferior Five. And Johnny Thunder. And ... well, by now, of course, we're spilling over into a whole other 100-pager. IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Oops: yes, of course, you have The Inferior Five on your list. Gotta cut down on my dosage .... IP: Logged |
India Ink Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Given the recent appearances of both Stanley and His Monster and Angel and the Ape, it seems the occasion is right for such a reprint classic. And Henry Boltinoff passed not too long ago--I'm nostalgic for his stuff. But there's simply not room for all the funniness--they'd have to do a second issue. And it would be so great to see Jerry Lewis and Bob Hope, but I gather DC can't get the rights to reprint those. A dirty rotten shame I say--Hope and Lewis should be begging DC to publish those stories which make them look like two of the funniest men who ever existed on the planet! Hey, can you tell that as a child I laughed my ass off reading those books? IP: Logged |
kdu Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Well, I don't care for the expensive re issues of the 100 and 80 page books, though I did get the Lost GL, the two Secret Origins, Batman Annual (so my original can be safe in its mylar) and the Love issue. What I do like are Marvel's Monsters. They are inexpensive, and I like the mix of new and old (I love the 100 page runs of DCs in the '70s). I also think it would be good for our Archives as it would introduce more readers to the quality of some of the older material, and they would them ask for Archives for Christmas And now I got a question. How were the 100 page issues of World's Finest? I got the one with a new Super Sons story, but I did not like the lead, and did not like one of the reprinted Batman/Superman team ups (the time travel one, I don't remember seeing the monster story untill I looked at the book again last week). What other series/characters were reprinted? Are the 100 page WF good? I have long finished my beloved Detective Specs, and have many other series, and am running out of "new" Specs to track down. Is WF a good target? IP: Logged |
ActionFigureMaker Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Personally, I would love to see a new SHAZAM 100-Page Spectacular, with Golden-Age reprints of the entire Shazam family, and maybe one or two reprints of Fawcett Comics heroes other than the Marvels! In all the 1970s, the only other Fawcett hero to have a story reprinted was Ibis the Invincible, and that was in a Detective Spec! I'd also love to see an Aquaman 100-Pager, and perhaps a new Wanted! The World's Most Dangerous Villains. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Ideally, there would be two 100-Page Wanted! Giants -- one devoted to "The World's Most Dangerous Villains," the other, to "The World's Most Dangerous Villainesses." Nominations, anyone? IP: Logged |
MichaelBise unregistered |
![]() ![]() I thought the WORLD'S FINEST 100-Pagers were wonderful! Bon Haney knew nothing about mainstream DC continuity, but his stories were interesting. There's Deadman inhabiting Bruce Wayne's brother's body, c'mon! I think the JLA, WW & BRAVE & THE BOLD 100-pagers were my faves, but WF was fun, too. ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
Cave Carson Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I'd be all over a "villainesses" issue if it had the "villainy incorporated" story from Wonder Woman #28 (1948) This is my all-time favorite WW story. Other stories in this volume could be Doom Patrol # 90 (Madame Rouge), Green Lantern #41, (Star Sapphire) and Batman #197 (Catwoman) ------------------ IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() "Villainy, Inc." is one of my favorite Wonder Woman stories, too. I would probably go for shorter stories to round out a 100-page Villainesses comic. Some possibilities: Batman vs. The Catwoman - perhaps "The Duped Domestics," from Batman # 22 (1944), or "Nine Lives Has the Catwoman" (# 35, 1946), or "The Lady Rogues" (# 45, 1948), none of which has been reprinted since the 1970s. Blackhawk vs. The Lady Called Fear - from Blackhawk # 11 (1946), reprinted in 100-Page Super Spectacular # DC-20 (1973). The Flash vs. The Thorn - the Robert Kanigher/Joe Kubert Flash Comics[i] Flash, of course. Sargon the Sorceror vs. The Blue Lama - as in "The Woman Who Wanted the World," illustrated by Paul Reinman, originally published in [i]Sensation Comics # 70 (1947) and reprinted in Justice League of America # 98 (1972). Wildcat vs. The Huntress - "The Count That Never Ended," Sensation Comics # 71 (1947). Green Lantern vs. The Harlequin - this cute couple's first encounter, from All-American Comics # 89 (1947), was reprinted in 1972; the rest, including an all-Harlequin issue of Green Lantern, have mouldered in oblivion all this while. IP: Logged |
Carlo Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() All these sound sweet, guys...
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Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() There are plenty more candidates for The World's Most Dangerous Villainesses. Cave Carson mentions Star Sapphire and Madame Rouge. Granny Goodness definitely meets all requirements, too, as do Queen Zazzala, Poison Ivy, the new Mist, and the original Star Sapphire. IP: Logged |
ActionFigureMaker Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And how about Tiger-Woman (Lois Lane's double), Aunt Minerva, the original Tigress (foe of Zatara the Magician), Queen Clea of Atlantis, and Georgia Sivana? ------------------ IP: Logged |
Spangles Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I would love a Quality characters reprint, even if it had to come under the banner of a FREEDOM FIGHTERS ANNUAL. An UNcle Sam National Comics solo, Phantom Lady, Blackhawk from Modern Comics, Firebrand I, Dollman (# 37, with Doll Girl), The Ray, Human Bomb, and maybe top it off with Plastic man, Black Condor or Quicksilver! IP: Logged |
Spangles Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh, and I LOVE the VILLAINESS notion; but absolutely it has to have the first Star Sapphire and the Enchantress! IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() A 100-Page Giant devoted to the Quality Comics Group (which really did live up to its name) would be most welcome. So, too, one devoted to Fawcett characters. For that matter, shouldn't the 1937 and 1938 editions of New Book of Comics and the 1939 and 1940 editions of New York World's Fair Comics be regarded as the archetypal, the primordial, the ur 100-Page Giants? The former title featured early work by Sheldon Mayer, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, H.C. Kiefer, Vince Sullivan, Whitney Ellsworth, and others; the latter, Superman and Slam Bradley by Siegel and Shuster, Batman and Robin by Bob Kane, Zatara by Fred Guardineer, Red, White and Blue, Hourman, Johnny Thunder[bolt], and the first Sandman story. IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Whoops. Hit the Submit Reply button before I'd made my point. Which, obviously, is: New Book of Comics and New York World's Fair Comics deserve to be replicated. IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Here's an attempt at a slightly off-beat line-up for a 80-Page Giant devoted to The World's Most Dangerous Villains: Hawkman, "The Ghost," Flash Comics # 88 (Oct. 1947), with art by Joe Kubert. "Is he in Heaven, is he in Hell? That damned, infernal ...." Oh, wait, that's some other guy. Still, the original Ghost always left Hawkman and -girl wondering: phantom or fake? "The Human Bomb," Big Town # 2 (Feb. 1951), with art by Sy Barry. This is just a swell story, featuring characters -- chiefly, a two-fisted newspaperman -- from a once-popular radio and television program. And where is it written that only costumed superheroes are capable of dealing with really dangerous villains? Aquaman, "The Menace of the Electric Man," Adventure Comics # 254 (Nov. 1958), with art by Ramona Fradon and Charles Paris at their best. Eclipso, "The Man Who Destroyed Eclipso," House of Secrets # 65 (March-April 1964), with art by Alex Toth at his best. Secret Society of Super-Villains, "Death Times Five," DC Special Series # 6 (1977), by Gerry Conway, Arvell M. Jones, and Bob McLeod. Possibly the most questionable selection on this list: even I ask myself why I like this particular entry in a series I never particularly liked. Conway herein transformed Wonder Woman's arch-nemesis, The Angle Man, from a potentially useful (if hardly ever well-used) thinking crook into a hideously (orange and green) garbed superfoe -- almost certainly because it's easier to write about a superfoes with an unlikely power than about a criminal mastermind capable of conceiving a cunning and subtle plan that would fool a five-year-old. Don't think I'm singling out Conway here; when's the last time Batman solved a mystery rather than simply beating the tar out of one or another of the pathetic fetishists in his much-touted Rogues Gallery? Anyhoo: although I have problems with this SSoSV story, to say nothing of the whole idea of a Secret Society of Super-Villains, I have a strange affection for it as well. Where is it written that logic has anything to do with which funny books one does or does not like? IP: Logged |
India Ink Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() quote: As long as you compare the DC 80/100s to the Marvel Monsters, then yes they will seem overpriced. But figure out the price per page on these DCs vs. DC tradepaperbacks and you will see that they are actually a steal. Compare them to archives and it should be a federal crime to get so many reprints for so little.
Let's not forget who initiated this format almost twenty years ago--DC. Of course, if fans are true to form, they'll be referring to those seventies books as "DC Monsters"--just as fans refer to the DC tabloids as "DC Treasury Editions." I'm a big fan of World's Finest, but for my money the best reprints were in the 80 & 64 page Giants as they reprinted 50s & 60s tales (many by Edmond Hamilton with Sprang or Swan). WF was fun in the seventies, and the WF Dollar Comic was a great deal, but there were lots better Super-Specs to be had. JLofA was the best, and I looked forward to every Batman and 'Tec (with their Outsider reprints). And I always regret not getting the Supergirl Super-Spec because it reprinted one of the Zatanna search for her father stories (which were reprinted in various Super-Specs, with the conclusion in JLofA)--the one with Hawkman and Hawkgirl. IP: Logged |
Cave Carson Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Remember when Marvel launched its "Giant-Size" line? (With GIANT-SIZE MAN-THING being the most fondly remembered title) These were originally announced as Marvel Super-Giants, and were supposed to be 100 pages like the super spectaculars DC had been putting out. I'm STILL bitterly disappointed that these were never done!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
India Ink Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I walked into my local comicshop the other day and told the guy behind the counter that I'd liked to see his "Giant-Size Man-Thing." And he dropped his pants. ba-dum! I put my "Giant-Size Man-Thing" in mylar to keep it mint. I wanna tell you. When I told my girlfriend that I keep my "Giant-Size Man-Thing" in a box she ran screaming from my apartment and I haven't seen her since. One time, when I was thirteen, my mother found me holding my "Giant-Size Man-Thing" and she told me to put it away cause we had company over and she didn't want my aunt to get the wrong idea. IP: Logged |
Steven Utley Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() I bought perhaps half of the Millennial Editions issue in 1999 and 2000, skipping those I already had in some durable and presentable form; didn't need yet another copy of the first Flash or Green Lantern issue of Showcase, the first Justice League or Green Lantern/Green Arrow story. Viewed in hindsight, there were glaring omissions. No Marvel Family or Tomahawk, no "Jerry Lewis Meets Batman" or My Greatest Adventure. No Seven Soldiers of Victory, War That Time Forgot, Creeper, Bat Lash, Eclipso, Three Mouseketeers, Inferior Five, Fauntleroy Fox and Crawford Crow. No Scribbly, and we won't get our facsimile of Sugar and Spike # 1 until next May. Sheldon Mayer, evidently, wasn't millennial enough. We got our 837th reprinting of Green Lantern # 76, an issue that, granted, is historically significant (at least as historical significance is measured in funny-book terms), but not New Comics # 1, the first DC comic, published in comic books' Precambrian age -- before there was a DC. Other noteworthy books that get mentioned a lot on these boards, New York World's Fair, The Big All-American Comic Book, etc., likewise didn't make the cut. I think a new round of Millennial Editions is in order. Three or four 80- and 100-Page Giants and a dozen DC Archives a year just is not enough. Millennial Editions would make the interims pleasanter, especially for those of us who no longer get the regular monthly titles. Yes, it is always about me. IP: Logged |
India Ink Member |
![]() ![]() ![]() Agreed. More reprints, but lose the Millennium Edition signature. I hated the way they obscured the original covers. And Plop! should have been presented in all its wraparound cover adless glory. I bought more comics than Utley, I'm sure, though I skipped the more recent stuff. I just can't see that a fellow can have too many issues of All-Star #3 and so I bought two of the regular, and the mylar cover (with the archive and the Famous First Edition that means I have five facsimile copies of the same comic). If they need to put new covers on these things then I'd prefer something like the second covers that were put on the earlier Famous Firsts. But doubtless if this second cover was cardstock that would put up the price. I think this should be an ongoing monthly event (and if sales warrant more than monthly). Call them DC All-American Editions, with a flag and a golden eagle and Superman in a corner of the cover. IP: Logged |
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