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Michael Bise Member	posted January 20, 2003 08:47 PM Are there new facsimiles on the way? ------------------ Rock a little, Michael "I will ride through the snow in an old-fashioned carriage Drawn by a small golden horse... she runs like the wind..." "Julia" ~ Stevie Nicks IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted January 22, 2003 03:05 AM quote: Originally posted by Michael Bise: Are there new facsimiles on the way? Precisely what I'd like to know. As I have said before, numerous other 80-pagers of the 1960s are worthy candidates for replication -- I've specifically mentioned the "all-villain" SUPERMAN and BATMAN ANNUALS and the FLASH collections, but there are plenty of others, such as those DC SPECIAL issues showcasing Carmine Infantino and Joe Kubert. (And, of course, we mustn't overlook the "lost" DC SPECIALs featuring Gil Kane, Alex Toth, Murphy Anderson, and pre-Fourth World Jack Kirby.) IP: Logged
Old Dude Member	posted January 22, 2003 08:02 PM The "lost" DC SPECIAL featuring Gil Kane! Boy, that sounds goos to me! IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted January 22, 2003 10:24 PM Artist based collections of any kind from DC sound good to me. A Mort Meskin issue of DC Special sound great, though I don't plan to hold my breath waiting for it. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted January 23, 2003 05:37 AM There are plenty of artists who could each, I believe -- but, I also believe, almost certainly will never get to -- fill an 80-page DC SPECIAL to bursting with great comics: Mort Meskin, of course, and Jimmy Thompson, Lee Elias, Ramona Fradon, Sy and Dan Barry, Mike Sekowsky, Sheldon Mayer, Sid Greene ... how depressing it is to think about the material that will never again see the light of day. (Time for Steven's Prozac.) IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 23, 2003 12:20 PM That's one of the strongest arguments I can think of for archiving the anthology genre titles. Strange Adventures, Mystery in Space, All-Star Western, All-American Western, Western Comics, The Brave & The Bold, Young Romance, Black Magic, House of Mystery, House of Secrets, Tales of the Unexpected, My Greatest Adventure.... The volume of unused (and under current policy unusable) material of high quality which is going unexploited surely justifies taking some real risks in trying to not so much find as etablish a market for it. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted January 23, 2003 07:57 PM On some alternate plane of being, where physical and copyright laws are slightly different, my various imaginary book and comic-book anthologies are not simply manifestions of a compulsion for list-making, but stone realities -- and free to all my fellow DC Archive message-boarders (well, maybe excepting those who believe firmly in unfettered capitalism -- pony up, boys). James gets that slipcased edition of JIMMY THOMPSON'S ROBOTMAN, quincyjb gets THE BEST OF MORT MESKIN, Carlo gets a whole 80- or 100-pager full of Civil War stories (just to remind him that his favorite side ahem lost), and Old Dude, of course, gets to be the dedicatee in the DC GOES APE! collection. IP: Logged
Old Dude Member	posted January 23, 2003 07:59 PM HUMPH! IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 23, 2003 08:05 PM My belief in capitalism is hedged about with a large number of restrictions and exceptions--pretty firmly fettered. Nevertheless, my alternate-world self would pay good money for that book. IP: Logged
Mark Billian New Member	posted January 23, 2003 08:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Old Dude: The "lost" DC SPECIAL featuring Gil Kane! Boy, that sounds goos to me! This is one of the best suggestions I have ever heard for a facsimile edition. It would go perfectly as a companion to the existing Infantino and Kubert issues of DC Special. I can only assume such an edition was never produced at the time because Kane had shifted the majority of his output to Marvel during the period these were originally released. This would be an excellent opportunity to see some genre work (Johnny Thunder, Rex the Wonder Dog, Mystery In Space/Strange Adventures) as well as act as a sampler for some of the archive editions (Green Lantern , Atom). I would absolutely by such a volume. IP: Logged
NickDanger Member	posted January 23, 2003 09:05 PM I don�t know how closely DC follows the back issue market when planning what facsimiles to issue next, but I was recently witness to a bidding war on e-bay of the �Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer� 80-Page Giant from 1962. The bids for the book started at five bucks and then in the last few minutes went up to $76.00! I was amazed at how the price of the comic escalated! And it wasn�t even in that great condition! I know Rudolph is a licensed character, but I would love to see this book reissued as a facsimile around Christmas. Maybe if I�m a good boy this year Santa will bring it to me. Okay, I admit�I�ve got a Red-Nose Reindeer fixation and I can�t help myself� ------------------ "I thought 'Kid Rock' was a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes..." IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 24, 2003 04:15 AM My im,pression is that proces in the back issue market are not a factor at all. I'm not sure I think they should be, either. There's a big difference between the kind of demand that drives auction prices up (only two people have to want the book, but both have to want it very badly), and the kind that sells a book at cover price (a whole lot of people think it's worth paying a few bucks for), and I don't think they're really related at all. IP: Logged
vze2 Member	posted January 24, 2003 05:31 AM I agree with James. I've made comments before about why I believe that Archives should contain primarily (that's primarily, not exclusively) comics that are rare and expensive, but I don't think DC has to actively track the market to do this. As James has pointed out, there are three eras. I'm paraphrasing here, and I've screwed up before, but I think I'm saying it right this time. Era 1 is roughly the Golden Age where everything is very rare and very expensive (roughly in the $1000 range) Era 2 is roughly from the end of era 1 to sometime in the early 70s where everything is rare and expensive (roughly in the $100 range) Era 3 is from the end of era 2 to now where most comics are cheap and easy to find (roughly in the $10 range) This is just the nomination criteria. Once a comic has been nominated it should be evaluated on quality and historical importance, not back-issue price. I believe that the people making decisions at DC have a good gut feeling about where these eras are, so they don't need to check Overstreet or ebay to do what I am suggesting. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 24, 2003 12:04 PM If back issue prices were an important factor in DC's collective mind, we wouldn't have any volumes of New Teen Titans Archives, for instance. IP: Logged
Carlo Member	posted January 25, 2003 02:59 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by Steven Utley: Carlo gets a whole 80- or 100-pager full of Civil War stories (just to remind him that his favorite side ahem lost)... **************************** Why, thank yew kindly for the fantasy gesture, Steve - be nice enough to autograph it if you please! Hmmmm? "Lost" the war? Shucks, I just figger'd we'd run out'ta hardtack and minie ball, Hoss!@> Best... Colonel Carlo IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 25, 2003 05:16 AM quote: Originally posted by Carlo: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Steven Utley: Carlo gets a whole 80- or 100-pager full of Civil War stories (just to remind him that his favorite side ahem lost)... **************************** Why, thank yew kindly for the fantasy gesture, Steve - be nice enough to autograph it if you please! Hmmmm? "Lost" the war? Shucks, I just figger'd we'd run out'ta hardtack and minie ball, Hoss!@> Best... Colonel Carlo Here I thought that was what losing a war was.... IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 25, 2003 05:19 AM No offense there, Col. Carlo--I'm half secesh myself, which is to say I believe in the principle that States can leave (so did James Madison among others), but I wouldn't have raised a finger for the Confederacy's particular cause. IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted January 25, 2003 01:32 PM Off topic for the moment: Anybody read Harry Turtledove's alternate history novels set in a world after the Confederacy succeeded in it's War of Independence? It depicts a North America populated by hated rivals and the damage that oh-so-carefully nurtured hatred does in war after war after war. While we don't live in the best of all possible worlds, there are far worse ones that we've avoided. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 25, 2003 04:13 PM I like Turtledove a lot--he's not an artistic writer, but he does a good, workmanlike job with the material, and he knows his material backwards and forwards. Alternate history in general intrigues me, whether it's taken more or less straight, as in the two Turtledove series you mention, or with added sf elements to account for the changes, as in his Worldwar and Colonization series which add the element of an alien invasion to World War II and the 1950s and '60s. IP: Logged
Carlo Member	posted January 25, 2003 05:03 PM thanks for the tips on the alternative history stories ...over the years a good many posters have mentioned that Turtledove stuff, but I'm still sorting out the "real" goods! double "no offense" back atcha' , Friel ol' buddy...Mama Carlo's little boy ain't into keepin' people in chains and all that stuff, and I certainly would have been one of those 3/4 ths that didn't own, nor could afford slaves, but... once them blue-bellies crossed into Louzzy-anna...well, as ol' Thomas J. Jackson said to his VMI cadets - 'tis time to "draw the sword and throw away the scabbard"! but, hell...enough about that "late unpleasantness" best to all... and Happy Super Bowl! Colonel Carlo IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 25, 2003 05:09 PM Another good series currently running is by Harry Harrison--a mistaken British attack on Mobile causes the Union and Confederacy to patch up their differences and go to war with the British Empire. I like it because one of the first places liberated is Ireland. Generals Lee, Sherman and Jackson command the invasion force... IP: Logged
vze2 Member	posted January 25, 2003 05:19 PM Where's Two-Fisted Tales when you need it? IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted January 31, 2003 10:11 PM Before DC gets around to announcing its next 80-pager, would anyone care to guess what it logically ought to be? IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted January 31, 2003 10:30 PM I'm guessing that the next repro will be one of the early 100-pagers, probably the World's Greatest Super Heroes, and the next faux Lost Annual will be Aquaman. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted January 31, 2003 11:57 PM The 100-page WORLD'S GREATEST SUPER-HEROES book was a great one indeed, virtually a DC superhero primer -- the first JLA/JSA two-parter, however, comprising half the page count, is already available in an Archive edition and a new trade paperback and possibly in an old yet still available one as well, THE GREATEST TEAM-UP STORIES EVER TOLD. Granted, DC has no compunctions about selling the same material again and again and again (witness the publication history of the first Green Lantern/Green Arrow story). Still, if the decision were mine to make, I think I'd pick the 100-page WEIRD collection instead, both for its fabulous array of artists and by way of showcasing another time-honored funny-book genre. It would look swell in the company of the replicated love and war books. A replica of that 30-year-old Aquaman collection would be perfect for anyone trying to decide whether or not to invest in THE AQUAMAN ARCHIVES. I do kinda wish, though, that room could be made somewhere for such personal favorites of mine as "The Menace of the Electric Man" and "The Ocean of 1,000,000 B.C." -- neither of which appear in either the Aquaman giant or the Archive edition. Perhaps an all-"new" Aquaman annual is in order. A giant I'd have been all over back in the 1960s, had DC deigned to publish it, is (let's say) THE GOLDEN AGE OF COMICS, serving up Alex Toth's Green Lantern, Lee Elias' Flash, Joe Kubert's Hawkman, Simon and Kirby's Sandman, Howard Sherman's Doctor Fate, and Mort Meskin's Starman. IP: Logged

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