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Mike Falcon Member	posted February 01, 2003 04:58 PM quote: Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity: Off topic for the moment: Anybody read Harry Turtledove's alternate history novels set in a world after the Confederacy succeeded in it's War of Independence? It depicts a North America populated by hated rivals and the damage that oh-so-carefully nurtured hatred does in war after war after war. While we don't live in the best of all possible worlds, there are far worse ones that we've avoided. I'm a fan of Turtledove and I'm reading the series your talking about. Is it just me or are things in the South heading towards a "black" holocost instead of a Jewish one? Sorry about the "off" topic question. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 01, 2003 09:05 PM quote: Originally posted by Mike Falcon: I'm a fan of Turtledove and I'm reading the series your talking about. Is it just me or are things in the South heading towards a "black" holocost instead of a Jewish one? Sorry about the "off" topic question. SPOILER WARTNING 8 8 8 8 8 Oh, yeah. Jake Featherston is certainly Hitler. That's been clear ever since he started writing his book. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted February 04, 2003 06:50 PM "The facsimiles sell okay," Bob Greenberger writes elsewhere on these message boards, "and we are committed to 1-2 per year. We also mix in the 'lost annuals' and have 3 of those forthcoming, the first of which will be in June." Let the wild speculation and wishful thinking begin! IP: Logged
vze2 Member	posted February 04, 2003 06:54 PM Wild speculation: B'wanna Beast, Heckler, Mutt and Jeff Wishful thinking: Scribbly, anything with Lou Fine, anything Fawcett-related IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 04, 2003 07:05 PM The candidate for a "lost" Annual I think most probable is still Aquaman--I'd hope that there'd be no overlap between this and the Aquaman issue of DC Super Stars, since the latter is a good candidate for eventual reprinting in facimile. A longer shot, but maybe not all that improbable, would be a faux Charlton Action Heroes Annual--Bob G has hinted that something is in the works for these characters, and so far there's no sign of an Archive. Both Hawkman and The Atom are showing higher profiles than they have in years, and each might be a good candidate for a mixed Golden Age-Silver Age "lost" Annual, too. If DC's interested in testing the waters for western material, an All-Star Comics Annual would be one way to do it. My strongest preference would be a faux Annual from one --hell, pick any one--of the DC, Quality,or Fawcett Golden Age anthology titles, with a good mix of characters. If successful, it could be the first of a dozen or more. IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted February 04, 2003 11:49 PM My guesses for facsimiles: Superman Annual #2 - The supervillains issue, with stories of Bizarro, Brainiac, Metallo, Titano, and others. Batman Annual #4 (?) - The annual starring the entire Batman family. With stories such as Bat-Girl Meets Bat-Mite! A fun collection to be sure. Guesses for faux annuals or 100 pagers: Mystery in Space - With Adam Strange, Star Hawkins, and others. Possibly with a Green Lantern or Superman story inserted to boost sales. Justice Society 100 pager - With one of the Dr. Fate/Hourman teamups, a JSA story from late in the original All-Star Comics run, the SA Flash story guesting Dr. Fate and Dr. Midnite, and some fillers. Hawkman 1968 Annual IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 05, 2003 01:38 AM quote: Originally posted by James Friel: If DC's interested in testing the waters for western material, an All-Star Comics Annual would be one way to do it. That should, of course, read "an All-Star Western Annual"... IP: Logged
Not My Real Name Member	posted February 08, 2003 02:46 AM quote: Originally posted by quincyjb: My guesses for facsimiles: Superman Annual #2 - The supervillains issue, with stories of Bizarro, Brainiac, Metallo, Titano, and others. Batman Annual #4 (?) - The annual starring the entire Batman family. With stories such as Bat-Girl Meets Bat-Mite! A fun collection to be sure. How about a faux annual collecting stories that featured the many pre-heroes that traipsed through Smallville and met with Superboy? I know there's a story where a young Bruce Wayne became the "Flying Fox" but weren't there others featuring future superheroes? For a Batman related issue, I'd like to see a collection of stories featuring Robin sans Batman teaming up with other DCU heroes. ------------------ -Mario IP: Logged
Not My Real Name Member	posted February 08, 2003 04:40 AM Or perhaps there are enough Superman/Robin stories to fill out a collection? ------------------ -Mario IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 09, 2003 08:00 PM quote: Originally posted by Not My Real Name: How about a faux annual collecting stories that featured the many pre-heroes that traipsed through Smallville and met with Superboy? I know there's a story where a young Bruce Wayne became the "Flying Fox" but weren't there others featuring future superheroes? There was the Bruce Wayne, and there was an Oliver Queen, and there was at least one Superboy/Robin story, and there was one with a young Lois Lane. Somewhat later, there was an Aquaboy teamup, too. Any others? IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted February 09, 2003 11:13 PM Re: Superboy teaming up with DC heroes before they were heroes: I've seen reference to Supes meeting a very young Barbara Gordon. IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted February 09, 2003 11:20 PM Another 100 pager I'd like to see could be titled Adventure Comics. It would focus on non-superhero strips DC has run over the years. - Challengers of the Unknown - Rip Hunter - Sea Devils - Robin Hood - Silent Knight - Viking Prince I would use the old 100 pager triple illustration cover on this one. The Challs would get the large box. Rip Hunter and Sea Devils would get the smaller two. The trick making this cover format work was always choosing three images that worked well. The Challs, being in the larger box, would need either a horrific or action packed illustration. For Rip Hunter, I would use the Rip teaming up with Hitler cover. Very eye catching. Viking Prince would also be another action shot, preferably him fighting a large reptile if such a shot is available. I would choose the last three stories from the first eight issues of Brave and the Bold. The goal is to get these early stories on film, to reduce the cost of doing an archive of B&B #1-8. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 10, 2003 03:44 AM quote: Originally posted by quincyjb: Another 100 pager I'd like to see could be titled Adventure Comics. It would focus on non-superhero strips DC has run over the years. - Challengers of the Unknown - Rip Hunter - Sea Devils - Robin Hood - Silent Knight - Viking Prince The trick making this cover format work was always choosing three images that worked well...Viking Prince would also be another action shot, preferably him fighting a large reptile if such a shot is available. I would choose the last three stories from the first eight issues of Brave and the Bold. The goal is to get these early stories on film, to reduce the cost of doing an archive of B&B #1-8. Those early Brave & Bolds were reprinted in the '80s as part of the baxter paper B&B reprint series that also reprinted most of the Neal Adams Batman teamups. I imagine the film or at least good stats still exist. Later B&Bs may be a different matter. Viking Prince did indeed fight a big sea serpent kind of critter. I think I'd toss in a Congo Bill or Johnny Peril or Roy Raymond or Mark Merlin story instead of a later Robin Hood. Heath is already well represented by an issue of Sea Devils, after all (you were planning on it being a Heath issue?) IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted February 10, 2003 10:58 PM Definitely hoping for a Heath Sea Devils story. Congo Bill and Johnny Peril sound like great additions. I don't think I've ever read a Mark Merlin story. Something to look forward to? IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 11, 2003 04:39 AM The other features from the same period that fit thematically with Challengers, Rip Hunter, and Sea Devils are Cave Carson and the first version of the Suicide Squad, and also the late'50s Blackhawks. In non-series work, early issues of MY GREATEST ADVENTURE were full of on-off stories of the "Explorers Find Monsters/Aliens/Lost City!" type. But I'm starting to make it sound like Steven Utley's Danger Trail trade paperback proposal. IP: Logged
Bgztl Member	posted February 13, 2003 05:16 PM quote: Originally posted by James Friel: Those early Brave & Bolds were reprinted in the '80s as part of the baxter paper B&B reprint series that also reprinted most of the Neal Adams Batman teamups. I imagine the film or at least good stats still exist. Later B&Bs may be a different matter. Viking Prince did indeed fight a big sea serpent kind of critter. I think I'd toss in a Congo Bill or Johnny Peril or Roy Raymond or Mark Merlin story instead of a later Robin Hood. Heath is already well represented by an issue of Sea Devils, after all (you were planning on it being a Heath issue?) James--Do you have any more data on this. I have a DC Special or two featuring the Brave & Bold characters (one just Viking Prince, the other a collection) but I don't recall any Baxter reprints. Does Overstreet list them? Thanks for any info. IP: Logged
dcexplosion78 Member	posted February 13, 2003 05:22 PM It was BEST OF BRAVE AND THE BOLD #1-6 published in 1988. The Adams stories were the lead reprints. IP: Logged
Rob Staeger Member	posted February 13, 2003 08:30 PM Back to Superboy, there was an issue of New Adventures of Superboy where he met a young Hal Jordan. I'm not 100% certain -- particularly since those were the pre-crisis days -- but he might have met Dr. Fate (or Nabu) as well. Rob IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted March 18, 2003 09:18 AM Didn't see anyone mention this one yet, but buried in the June solicitations is the following: EVEN MORE SECRET ORIGINS LOST 80-PAGE GIANT Given the success of the SECRET ORIGINS 80-page Giant in 1961 and MORE SECRET ORIGINS in 1965, what would DC�s editors have included in a compilation created in 1967? Back by popular demand, DC Comics is proud to present the latest in the successful line of �lost� annuals with EVEN MORE SECRET ORIGINS LOST 80-PAGE GIANT � a dynamic volume that showcases some of the most sought-after stories ever published! The Secret Origins featured in this volume include Hawkman (from THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD #34) by Gardner Fox and Joe Kubert; the Jimmy Olsen/Robin team (WORLD�S FINEST #141) by Edmond Hamilton, Curt Swan & George Klein; Kid Flash (FLASH #112) by John Broome, Carmine Infantino & Joe Giella; Green Lantern�s oath (GREEN LANTERN #10) by Broome, Gil Kane & Murphy Anderson; Eclipso (HOUSE OF SECRETS #61) by Bob Haney and Lee Elias; and a Blackhawk text feature from BLACKHAWK #261. EVEN MORE SECRET ORIGINS LOST 80-PAGE GIANT arrives in comic-book stores June 4 with a cover price of $6.95 U.S. IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted March 18, 2003 11:07 AM I'm always happy to see a new faux 80 pager, and the interest level here for a follow up to the Secret Origins issues seems high. The Hawkman story definitely belongs in this collection, as does the Kid Flash story. I am a little disappointed by the Green Lantern story's inclusion. Sure, having him on the cover will help sell copies, but combined with the Hawkman and Kid Flash stories, that brings this issue to about fifty pages of material that's already been seen in the archives. The other stories sound like fun, especially the Jimmy/Robin teamup. IP: Logged
Melkor Member	posted March 18, 2003 03:44 PM Can anyone give me a listing of all the facsimile annuals, specials, giants, etc. etc. that DC has published? I want to get into these but I'm not sure where to start. The only one I own so far is the (awesome) Marvel Family annual DC put out a year or two back. Any help is appreciated... Mark IP: Logged
casselmm47 Member	posted March 18, 2003 04:03 PM quote: Originally posted by Melkor: Can anyone give me a listing of all the facsimile annuals, specials, giants, etc. etc. that DC has published? I want to get into these but I'm not sure where to start. The only one I own so far is the (awesome) Marvel Family annual DC put out a year or two back. Any help is appreciated... Mark Look back a few pages in the thread... the last two have been the WW and Superboy editions, IIRC Cass IP: Logged
casselmm47 Member	posted March 18, 2003 04:04 PM quote: Originally posted by casselmm47: bumping.... So where are we at with the recent 80 Page/100 Page and other 'retro oneshots'? [b]Replicas: Secret Origins Annual Superman Annual Batman Annual More Secret Origins (80 Page Giant #8) Sgt Rock Prize Battle Tales Love Stories (DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #5) Sugar and Spike #1 Flash Annual #1 Superboy #147 (80 Page Giant G-47) Facsimilies/Faux Reprint Collections: Green Lantern Annual 1963 Teen Titans Annual 1967 JLA 100 Page Super Spectacualar JSA 100 Page Super Spectacualar Brave and the Bold 80 Page Giant (1969) Jack Kirby's Green Arrow Shazam! and the Shazam Family 80 Page Giant Wonder Woman 80 Page Giant What's next? Different genres in a faux reprint? Another classic backissue reprinted in all it's glory? Cass [/B] here ya go, from page 11... Cass IP: Logged
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casselmm47 Member	posted March 18, 2003 04:12 PM quote: Originally posted by casselmm47: bumping.... So where are we at with the recent 80 Page/100 Page and other 'retro oneshots'? [b]Replicas: Secret Origins Annual Superman Annual Batman Annual More Secret Origins (80 Page Giant #8) Sgt Rock Prize Battle Tales Love Stories (DC 100 Page Super Spectacular #5) Sugar and Spike #1 Flash Annual #1 Superboy #147 (80 Page Giant G-47) Facsimilies/Faux Reprint Collections: Green Lantern Annual 1963 Teen Titans Annual 1967 JLA 100 Page Super Spectacualar JSA 100 Page Super Spectacualar Brave and the Bold 80 Page Giant (1969) Jack Kirby's Green Arrow Shazam! and the Shazam Family 80 Page Giant Wonder Woman 80 Page Giant What's next? Different genres in a faux reprint? Another classic backissue reprinted in all it's glory? Cass [/B] Lets try this again... Cass IP: Logged

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