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Steven Utley Member	posted February 22, 2002 05:46 PM I do appreciate the vote of confidence, greene. And if I got the job, I wonder where I'd start -- with my birthyear, 1948? Nineteen fifty-nine, the year I made the acquaintance of The Flash, Rip Hunter, Green Lantern, Adam Strange, Supergirl, Challengers of the Unknown, and The Justice League of America? IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted February 22, 2002 09:27 PM quote: Originally posted by James Friel: And you may be disappointed when you read 'em; it's Kanigher, after all. Now the Simonson incarnation from the '70s--that would make a sweet little trade paperback. (As would Hercules Unbound.) Didn't Sekowsky also have a go at the Metal Men for a while? I've always been curious - I loved his take on Wonder Woman, but never got around to picking up his version of the Metal Men. IP: Logged
Old Dude Member	posted February 23, 2002 12:10 AM quote: Originally posted by greene: Dredge up the old "Adventure Comics" title, with all its glorious, historical import... And the final key would be to make Mr. Utley the editor-in-chief, selecting the material. This would ensure it as a most tasteful and diverse endeavor. Love your idea for the book. I wouldn't miss an issue. I don't know about Utley as editor. How many stories about dinosaurs in gorilla suits can we stand? IP: Logged
greene Member	posted February 23, 2002 01:19 AM You're right, Old Dude. Utley does have that rather eccentric dinosaur/gorilla fetish. It will need to be supressed for such a duration. Some sort of medication might be necessary. But based on all his postings on this thread and others, I'd have complete faith in his selections. Who else around here would include a "Big Town" story into the mix? IP: Logged
Wayne1776 Member	posted February 23, 2002 01:55 AM Mike Sekowsky assumed editorship of several DC titles in the early 70s ... Supergirl, very briefly Wonder Woman (I think) and Metal Men (I think, also.)The Metal Men became "The New Hunted Metal Men" in a interesting bad story arc. They assumed 'human' identities in order to go into society and blend in. The identites were based somewhat on the team's personalities and physical appearances. The book was cancelled. Issues 33- 41. He drew the cover of 32, and thereafter all of the issues through 41. I am supposing he did the interior art of all from 32-41. (I don't have the issues in front of me unfortunately.) The writer was? http://www.crosswinds.net/~testiculos/metalmen/metalmen.htm I am assuming sales were low, and anything went - a la The Blackhawks ill-concieved superhero shenanagins. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 23, 2002 03:44 AM quote: Originally posted by Old Dude: I don't know about Utley as editor. How many stories about dinosaurs in gorilla suits can we stand? Now that's not fair and you know it. Some of the stories would be about robots in gorilla suits. Or robot gorillas. Or gorillas in dinosaur suits. Or gorillas operating big Japanese-style robot dinosaurs.... IP: Logged
positronic Member	posted February 23, 2002 04:07 AM quote: Originally posted by James Friel: And you may be disappointed when you read 'em; it's Kanigher, after all. Now the Simonson incarnation from the '70s--that would make a sweet little trade paperback. (As would Hercules Unbound.) I've read the Simonson issues. Nice art -- but it's Gerry Conway, after all. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 23, 2002 04:35 AM quote: Originally posted by positronic: I've read the Simonson issues. Nice art -- but it's Gerry Conway, after all. Good point. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted February 23, 2002 01:54 PM I came by my gorilla/dinosaur fixation honestly, having been exposed at an early age to that greatest of all monster movies, the one, only 'n' original King Kong. My parents acquired their first television set just as Hollywood began peddling syndication rights to the stuff in its vaults, so I also made the acquaintance of Flash Gordon, Tarzan, Charlie Chan, The Marx Brothers, The Little Rascals (aka Our Gang), Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Stan and Ollie, and many others. IP: Logged
daytripper Member	posted February 23, 2002 02:55 PM More's the pity that comics rarely do celebrity stories anymore. Except possibly for Kiss. I would enjoy even bad stories of most of the above characters. And, yes, I read Elvira on occasion, entertaining. But that's all of the current examples I can think of. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 23, 2002 03:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Steven Utley: I came by my gorilla/dinosaur fixation honestly, having been exposed at an early age to that greatest of all monster movies, the one, only 'n' original King Kong. My parents acquired their first television set just as Hollywood began peddling syndication rights to the stuff in its vaults, so I also made the acquaintance of Flash Gordon, Tarzan, Charlie Chan, The Marx Brothers, The Little Rascals (aka Our Gang), Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Stan and Ollie, and many others. Oh yeah. I think I first saw TV in 1950, when I was 4, but we didn't get our first set until maybe 1953. Even then there was only one station to pick up (WFMY-TV in Greensboro, NC). The after-school kid shows on weekdays were generally mixtures of cartoons and old movie shorts and serials--Our Gang, 3 Stooges, Laurel & Hardy, Flash Gordon, Roy & Gene & Hoppy. Helluva lot better than half-hour animated commercials for action figures... IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted February 23, 2002 03:38 PM My very first television memory is of watching the coronation of Elizabeth II at a neighbor's house in Ramsgate, England. IP: Logged
greene Member	posted February 25, 2002 11:34 AM Count me in as another who was quite transfixed, if not totally mesmerized, by a childhood viewing of "King Kong." (although it occurred a bit later for me, in the 1970s). Boy, did that film grab me. And, it still does, even today after easily a dozen viewings. By contrast, I remember the 1976 version coming out a few short years after I saw the original. I was all excited about it, and anxiously looking forward to it. Yet, it left me stone-faced and disappointed, if not downright bored. Couldn't even 'connect' with it (or the characters) on the most minor level. Hmm, and to think our dear Miss Fay Wray is now 94 years old! She was still looking great a few years ago. She was also fun in some other (more modest) thrillers like "Black Moon" (1934-an atmospheric voodoo tale), and "Below the Sea" (1933-an exciting underwater exploration adventure) ... among many, many other films. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted February 25, 2002 04:43 PM The 1976 remake of King Kong does not exist. And Fay Wray was my first phosphor-dot love. IP: Logged
Old Dude Member	posted February 25, 2002 05:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Steven Utley: I came by my gorilla/dinosaur fixation honestly, having been exposed at an early age to that greatest of all monster movies, the one, only 'n' original King Kong. My parents acquired their first television set just as Hollywood began peddling syndication rights to the stuff in its vaults, so I also made the acquaintance of Flash Gordon, Tarzan, Charlie Chan, The Marx Brothers, The Little Rascals (aka Our Gang), Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Stan and Ollie, and many others. Some of the most fun I have on the boards is razzing you about gorillas, Steven, and fun is all I ever intend. If I go to far, please let me know. As I've said several times before, we seem to have shared the same childhood. All the features listed above were on TV here in the Cleveland area when I was a very little dude. Although I watched them all repeatedly (I LIVED in front of the TV), I only developed an affinity at that age for Flash Gordon, Tarzan, and the Little Rascals. When I got older, I began to appreciate the others too. King Kong! My gosh, that always scared the daylights out of me! For weeks after every viewing of the film, I would dream that Kong was stomping through our neighborhood, looking JUST FOR ME! No matter where I hid, he would always find me. As he stood there above me, scanning the area for me, I was absolutely terrified. And when at last he looked right at me, it was so frightening that I always woke up, trembling. The dreams didn't end until after high school. It was embarrassing at that age to be afraid to watch a movie. Actually, the last time I saw it just a couple years ago, I had a variation of that dream again. Another bit of Cleveland quirkiness: For nearly a decade, a local TV station ran King Kong, Son of Kong, and Mighty Joe Young every Thanksgiving Day. No one ever knew the connection they had with the programmers, but the first couple years they didn't run, it just didn't seem like Turkey day. Another aside: There was a Maude episode in which her husband, Walter, managed to avoid going to a boring party in honor of some doctor and his wife, whom Walter didn't even know. Later, he discovered that the doctor's wife was Fay Wray. He was devastated, because he'd always had a crush on her. IP: Logged
Wayne1776 Member	posted February 25, 2002 08:56 PM Steven, (or anyone!) Help me. I may be the victim of one of the Dreams of a Rarebit Fiend. I swear I remember seeing King Kong when I was a wee lad when it was shown on Armchair Playhouse out of Atlanta, GA, and in it there was a scene where King Kong is on a raft being towed behind the ship. When I bought the restored laser disk (1991) with King Kong/Son of Kong, there was no towing scene. Did I dream this. I saw the film on TV in 1958. This is a matter of recollection based on where we were living , I was in the 1st grade - 1st half. If that scene was there, I suppose it is lost forever. Or as I said, I might have dreamed the whole thing. Comic book related point: Gold Key had a King Kong comic - I know I bought it. I wonder now these many years later how accurate it was, and who did the art? reprinted once, I wish I still had it. IP: Logged
Old Dude Member	posted February 26, 2002 10:53 PM quote: Originally posted by Wayne1776: I swear I remember seeing King Kong when I was a wee lad when it was shown on Armchair Playhouse out of Atlanta, GA, and in it there was a scene where King Kong is on a raft being towed behind the ship. When I bought the restored laser disk (1991) with King Kong/Son of Kong, there was no towing scene. Did I dream this. I saw the film on TV in 1958. This is a matter of recollection based on where we were living , I was in the 1st grade - 1st half. If that scene was there, I suppose it is lost forever. Or as I said, I might have dreamed the whole thing. Carl Denham tells his crew that they can build a raft to float Kong back to the States. I can visualize that very clearly, but I don't know if that's because I actually saw it once or if it's just the remnants of something my imagination conjured up at Denham's statement. I've been mulling this over since last night, and I still have no answer. Did they keep gassing the big ape all the way home? Poor guy! IP: Logged
daytripper Member	posted March 03, 2002 09:01 AM Let me guess, Steven--your favorite cartoon show was Magilla Gorilla. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted March 03, 2002 01:21 PM Magilla Gorilla was after my time. My guess is that it was Hanna-Barbera product, which alone would have been enough to keep me from watching. I grew up on Fleischer Popyeye cartoons, the Warner Brothers classics, and Disney; I knew what "full animation" was. While we're on the subject of animation ... my girlfriend and I rented Jurassic Park III and Shrek last night. The same capsule review is about equally applicable to all three JP movies -- more or less bad script, but it gives good dinosaur. Shrek is just terrific, and never more so than when, with obvious gleeful malice aforethought, it is sending up Disney. I am hard-pressed to single out a favorite moment. IP: Logged
positronic Member	posted March 12, 2002 10:09 PM Anyone who loves dinosaurs but who was unimpressed by the plot/storylines of the Jurassic Park films ought to give the following videos a try: Walking With Dinosaurs Allosaurus: A Walking With Dinosaurs Special When Dinosaurs Roamed America Walking With Prehistoric Beasts All of these originally aired on the Discovery Channel, and not only is the dinosaur animation as good or better than in the JP films, but it's all dinosaurs, no filler. The last-named above doesn't actually include dinosaurs per se, but it's impressive nonetheless. All are available on DVD with special features, as well as the original BBC narration, which is superior to the American narration IMO. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted April 18, 2002 08:11 PM News of the forthcoming Shazam! Family Annual prompts me to bump this thread. I continue to hope that a "lost" Wonder Woman Annual is in the works for this summer. I can't quite intuit what else is a likely candidate, however -- not that there aren't plenty more old DC 80- and 100-pagers deserving of replication. ------------------ Hey, Kids! Haiku! http://www.anamnesispress.com Enter "The Real World" at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/originals/originals_archive/utley/ Explore "The Despoblado" at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/originals/originals_archive/utley2/ Find (or lose) yourself "Five Miles From Pavement" at http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/originals/originals_archive/utley3/ IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted April 18, 2002 08:43 PM Have they ever done a "lost" World's Finest annual? One of the first books I ever owned was an annual that had a collection of stories with Superman & Batman on other worlds - good stuff! Plenty of great material, with Sprang, Swan, and Mooney artwork through the years. IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted April 20, 2002 09:11 AM DC doesn't have to do a "lost" World's Finest 80-pager, as it published several excellent ones during the 1960s. A replica might entice some readers into buying the WFC Archives; that would make everyone happy. IP: Logged
JayFlip Member	posted April 21, 2002 08:58 AM quote: Originally posted by Steven Utley: News of the forthcoming Shazam! Family Annual prompts me to bump this thread. I continue to hope that a "lost" Wonder Woman Annual is in the works for this summer. I can't quite intuit what else is a likely candidate, however -- not that there aren't plenty more old DC 80- and 100-pagers deserving of replication. Your wish has come true, Intuitive One. From Newsarama and a separate thread: "Wonder Woman will also be featured in fall�s Wonder Woman Lost Annual, which will feature stories from the 1950s and �60s by Robert Kanigher, Ross Andru and Mike Esposito." Cool... IP: Logged
Steven Utley Member	posted May 04, 2002 01:18 AM I adore the facsimile edition of Sugar and Spike that came out this week; among its several charms is a one-page preview of another Sheldon Mayer gem, The Three Mouseketeers. Now I want a "lost" Funny Folks Annual featuring the tykes, the mice, Crawford and Fauntleroy, Angel and Sam, Henry Boltinoff fillers, and The Inferior Five. IP: Logged

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