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Hedorah
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posted May 04, 2002 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hedorah        Reply w/Quote
Going back to the original point, the movie where Kong was being towed behind a ship on a big raft was "King Kong vs. Godzilla". He had been captured after getting drunk on beryy juice on Mondo Island. Two hapless advertising men working for Mr. Tako of the Pacific Pharmaceutical Company were charged with his capture and retrieval for an advertising campaign, and when they realized their error and attempted to blow up the TNT-wired raft, Kong survived and swam to Tokyo where he instinctively sought out his "natural" enemy, Godzilla. So there.

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posted May 04, 2002 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for positronic   Click Here to Email positronic        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hedorah:
Going back to the original point, the movie where Kong was being towed behind a ship on a big raft was "King Kong vs. Godzilla". He had been captured after getting drunk on beryy juice on Mondo Island. Two hapless advertising men working for Mr. Tako of the Pacific Pharmaceutical Company were charged with his capture and retrieval for an advertising campaign, and when they realized their error and attempted to blow up the TNT-wired raft, Kong survived and swam to Tokyo where he instinctively sought out his "natural" enemy, Godzilla. So there.

Hmm, a TNT-wired raft, huh? So that explains how Ted Turner wound up owning the King Kong character (or is it co-owned by Universal?). He seduced the poor dumb brute while he was under the influence with plenty of Turner Network Television reruns!

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Dave the Wonder Boy
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posted May 06, 2002 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave the Wonder Boy   Click Here to Email Dave the Wonder Boy        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
And you may be disappointed when you read 'em; it's Kanigher, after all.
Now the Simonson incarnation from the '70s--that would make a sweet little trade paperback. (As would Hercules Unbound.)

The 70's METAL MEN issues by Simonson (issues 45-49) were reprinted in THE ART OF WALT SIMONSON trade, back in 1989, along with:

DETECTIVE 450
FIRST ISSUE SPECIAL # 9 (Dr Fate)
STAR SPANGLED WAR 170 and 180
UNKNOWN SOLDIER 254-256 (Captain Fear)
HERCULES UNBOUND 11-12


A pretty decent collection of obscure 1973-1980 Walt Simonson material.

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James Friel
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posted May 06, 2002 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dave the Wonder Boy:
The 70's METAL MEN issues by Simonson (issues 45-49) were reprinted in THE ART OF WALT SIMONSON trade, back in 1989...
A pretty decent collection of obscure 1973-1980 Walt Simonson material.

I'd forgotten that.
I have a copy, too. It is a very nice book, as you say.
Too bad they killed any chance of it selling by pricing it so high--twenty bucks for a trade paperback that size in the late '80s was almst a prohibitively high price. Now, of course, it would be priced just about right...

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Dave the Wonder Boy
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posted May 09, 2002 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave the Wonder Boy   Click Here to Email Dave the Wonder Boy        Reply w/Quote
Well, James, I guess I lucked out, because I got mine at half price, about 3 years after it was released.

The thing I don't like about these 80-page and 100-page facsimile editions is that I never know when they're coming out. It's an occasional one-shot deal, and I often don't see them until months, or even YEARS after they are released.

I'd like to see them become a monthly or bi-monthly, or quarterly even, kind of deal. With an ad and a release date for the next 100-pager at the end of each issue.

I'd also like to see a series of 70's 100-pagers re-released, like say a serialized re-release of DETECTIVE COMICS 437-443, over a period of months. Even though I already have these issues, I'd love to purchase them again with better printing. (and yes, I know, 437 was not a 100-pager, but it would be interesting to see it re-made as a 100 pager, with maybe more Sheldon Moldoff Hawkman stories, or Infantino Batman or Elongated man reprints, or Finger/Kane early 40's Batman reprints.

And I repeat my suggestion for a series of 80-page reprints of Infantino Adam Strange stories.

One of my favorite re-releases is the FLASH ANNUAL # 1 (1963). Again, I have the original, but the printing is so much nicer on the new re-release edition.
It also has a checklist of all the issues, with writer/artist/inker credits on previously uncredited stories, from SHOWCASE #4 up through FLASH # 140.
It's nice to read it in the new edition,without having to damage my more fragile 1963 copy.

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casselmm47
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posted May 09, 2002 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for casselmm47   Click Here to Email casselmm47        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dave the Wonder Boy:
I'd also like to see a series of 70's 100-pagers re-released, like say a serialized re-release of DETECTIVE COMICS 437-443, over a period of months. Even though I already have these issues, I'd love to purchase them again with better printing. (and yes, I know, 437 was not a 100-pager, but it would be interesting to see it re-made as a 100 pager, with maybe more Sheldon Moldoff Hawkman stories, or Infantino Batman or Elongated man reprints, or Finger/Kane early 40's Batman reprints.


I'd agree, with the exception made that the remainder of the 'Bat-Murderer' storyline begun in the Detective 100-Page era (and finished just after it went back to regular format) somehow be included... or made into it's 'own' 100-Page release. IIRC, the page count should be just about right.

Better yet, double it up with the 'Who Murdered Batman?' storyline from Batman #291-294 and release those two storylines in a single TPB. Between last years botched retread (and admitted homage to the 1977 Batman storyline) of the 'In This Issue... Batman DIES' and the current storyline in the Bat-titles, current readers should have a chance to read both classic tales.

Cass

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Dave the Wonder Boy
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posted May 09, 2002 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave the Wonder Boy   Click Here to Email Dave the Wonder Boy        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by casselmm47:
I'd agree, with the exception made that the remainder of the 'Bat-Murderer' storyline begun in the Detective 100-Page era (and finished just after it went back to regular format) somehow be included... or made into it's 'own' 100-Page release. IIRC, the page count should be just about right.



Yes, I was tempted to list that one too, a story (if I recall correctly) by Len Wein and Jim Aparo (when Aparo was doing some of his best work), in DETECTIVE COMICS 444-448. As I recall, the last 3 issues were not 100-pagers, but hey, more room to cram in other reprint material, right?

These issues ( 446-448) had a great guest appearance of the Creeper in the story, at the time I was absolutely wild about the Creeper. Maybe some other reprints to toss in would be JOKER # 3 (with Joker & the Creeper teamed up), DETECTIVE 418 (a team up of Batman and the Creeper, another good story) or BRAVE & THE BOLD 80 (the first Batman/Creeper team-up, art by Neal Adams), or even BEWARE THE CREEPER 1-6 (by Ditko).

No, on second thought, give me more Sheldon Moldoff Hawkman reprints. The others I already have, and they're much easier to find, for anyone who hasn't already read them like I have. And maybe some early Golden Age Batman (although the Batman stuff is all available in Archives now).
Maybe some Lou Fine "The Ray" stories, or other Quality material from the 40's. So hard to choose... but as a rule, the more rare and hard to find stuff by Moldoff, Fine RaBoy, Gustavson and the like. Not stuff that's been reprinted at last once already.


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Steven Utley
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posted May 25, 2002 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
Has anyone heard any more about the "lost" Wonder Woman Annual scheduled for publication in the fall? I'm dying to know what's going to be in it.

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Rassilon
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posted May 25, 2002 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rassilon   Click Here to Email Rassilon        Reply w/Quote
How about the infamous Cancelled Comics Cavalcade from about 1977. It was a never really released comic or a series with the last issues from several series that had just fallen victim to the DC implosion and were only printed as photocopies in limited release so DC could retain the copyrights on these stories. You could start it off with a "Previously" synopsis and give the fans of those cancelled series a chance to see what might have been.

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Rassilon
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posted May 26, 2002 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rassilon   Click Here to Email Rassilon        Reply w/Quote
The other mini-series in a series I wouldn't mind seeing is the Trials of Wonder Woman to rejoin the JLA in the original series #212-222.

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Steven Utley
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posted May 27, 2002 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
Apropos of this thread: http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001048.html

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India Ink
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posted May 27, 2002 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
Instead of a lost Wonder Woman issue, I think DC should do a replica edition of Adventure 416, DC-10--the all-female Super-Spec, which reprints the Villainy, Inc. story from the 40s. I picked that up at a swap-meet yesterday and it's GREAT!

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Steven Utley
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posted May 27, 2002 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
"Villainy, Inc." is a fine story indeed, Ink -- and for all we know, it could very well be in the Wonder Woman Annual.

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Cave Carson
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posted May 27, 2002 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cave Carson   Click Here to Email Cave Carson        Reply w/Quote
That's my all-time favorite Wonder Woman story. I hope it will be included in the annual (especially in light of the new Villainy Inc. that just popped up in the current series.
My personal favorite 100 pager was the Superman "flying heroes" issue, with the Neal Adams wrap-around cover. (Superman # 252, DC-13)
It had the Superman powerstone story (from Action #47), the first Hawkgirl story, my first exposure to the Golden Age Starman, and my introduction to the Ray and the Black Condor. Not to mention Dr. Fate and the Spectre.
I dearly loved those 100 page giants!

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Steven Utley
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posted June 02, 2002 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
As I noted at http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001066.html the logical follow-up to the recent facsimile edition of Sugar and Spike # 1 is a "lost" 80- or 100-page DC Funny Folks (or, perhaps, Comic Cavalcade) Annual serving up some long-unseen reprints from The Fox and the Crow, Scribbly, The Three Mouseketeers, etc.

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posted June 02, 2002 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrawfordCrow        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Steven Utley:
As I noted at http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001066.html the logical follow-up to the recent facsimile edition of Sugar and Spike # 1 is a "lost" 80- or 100-page DC Funny Folks (or, perhaps, Comic Cavalcade) Annual serving up some long-unseen reprints from The Fox and the Crow, Scribbly, The Three Mouseketeers, etc.


THE FOX AND THE CROW ANNUAL NO. 1!!!

Bring it on!!!

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HomeBuggy
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posted June 04, 2002 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HomeBuggy   Click Here to Email HomeBuggy        Reply w/Quote
My quiet confession is that my favorite reprint book ever was one of the Batman special 100-page super-spectaculars. I can't remember the number, but in a way, it's unimportant.

You see, the reason I love it is not the Batman reprint.

Nor the detective related reprints.

It was teh Doll man story.

Featuring Doll Man's pet Elmo.

You see, uniquely among Golden Age fans, I feel, I can understnd how Streak the Wonder Dog managed to oust the Green Lantern.

You see, I STILL think an Elmo Archive makes sense.

I am so ashamed.

But, . . .

he was a really good dog.

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Steven Utley
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posted June 04, 2002 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
Heaven knows there are enough DC animal stars and sidekicks, without even taking into account the Legion of Super-Pets and Ace the Bat-Hound, to fill a "lost" 80-page annual or two: Congorilla; Bobo the Detective Chimp; Streak and Rex, the Wonder Dogs; Topo the Wonder Octopus; Hooty ... and Animal Man could be the host!

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted June 04, 2002 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Seems like Gar Logan should be involved, too.

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Steven Utley
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posted July 13, 2002 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
By way of checking in and, not incidentally, bumping this still-useful thread, I must report that, since finishing Ulysses in May, I've been on a major pulp-fiction bender, and both Lit'rature and comic books have taken a back seat. Oh, I broke down last week, or slipped up, and read Nabokov's 1972 novel, Transparent Things, and I'm been dipping into The Sgt. Rock Archives at bedtime, and I suddenly wondered this morning if it isn't about time for that Shazam! Annual to come out ... but mostly I've just consorted with tough guys, dangerous dames, and unspeakable horrors. When I do take up Mansfield Park, or The Great Short Novels of Henry James -- or the book my girlfriend recently presented to me, Volume Deux, Books 4 through 7, of Remembrance of Things Past (there goes my 2003!) -- there is likely to be a bumpy transition period during which I catch myself expecting Fanny or Miss Daisy Miller to shed her thin veneer of civilization and take to the trees, or, at the very least, shoot some vexatious pindividual in the front parlor.

Now, I mean real pulp fiction, as originally published in a type of magazine that made its debut in the 1880s, lasted through two world wars, and then expired in the 1950s. For the benefit of you as don't, won't, or can't remember back that far, I can't do much better than to quote Charles Beaumont on the subject:

The Pulps.

What were they?

Cheaply printed, luridly illustrated, sensationally written magazines of fiction aimed at the lower- and lower-middle-class American male.

Were they any good?

No. They were great.

... In line with the imperishable American concept that anything which is purely renjoyable must be a sin, the pulps were considered sinful. Although they were, at their worst (or best), fractionally as "objectionable" as the immoral, amoral, violent, perverted product available nowadays [Beaumont wrote this in the early 1960s] to any tennis-shoe-shod sub-teen who has the price of admission to a movie theatre or access to a television set, they were proscribed by most parents and all educators. Thus we indulged in them in much the same way that we indulged in the other purely enjoyable facts of life. Which was an altogether agreeable state of affairs. Although we weren't aware of it at the time, the disapproval and prohibition actually increased our pleasure, addind a welcome pinch of lawlessness to the experience. Fortunately, the psychologists ofthe day did not understand the special sweetness of the stolen watermelon. So they denounced the pulps, wrote tracts on the fearful consequences certain to befall those whose minds were polluted by "the newsstand trash" and otherwise did their best to create a nation of addicts.

Sound familiar?

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greene
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posted July 14, 2002 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for greene   Click Here to Email greene        Reply w/Quote
I think I'll reserve Henry James for my dwindling, bedridden years, when perhaps his penchant for descriptiveness might be more in sync with my waning pulse rate. But, indeed, I'm glad to see you exploring pulps, Steve. They can be quite exhilarating. Nothing like depression-era heroics, and the adventures are ready-made for those weened on the concurrent Hollywood b-films. I've always enjoyed the various detective, aviation, western, and jungle genres. Only has the charm (?) of weird-menace tales eluded me. Plus, for anyone enamoured by "King Kong," the pulps offer a variety of 'lost world' adventures in the Haggard vein. I wish I had more time to devote to such reading; I've noticed that as I've increased my time devoted to comic reprints, pulps have progressively suffered. Darnit.

By the way, to anyone interested in sampling some pulp tales of yore, there's a dandy publication entitled "High Adventure," put out by Adventure House. Although, it concentrates pretty heavily on the 'hero' pulps, which seems the most popular genre, and closest in spirit to comic-book super-heroics. One of their most recent reprints (which I have yet to get) is of a short-lived title from 1949-50 entitled "Captain Zero" ... about an unassuming, spectacled crime-fighter who has the ability to turn invisible between midnight and dawn. Always sounded intriguing. But, I still have a number of "Dime Western" and "G-Men" issues to tackle first.

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posted July 15, 2002 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
As I have said elsewhere, one of the minor sorrows of my little writing career (which is so little that virtually all of its sorrows are perforce minor) is that such evocatively titled pulp magazines as Planet Stories, Thrilling Wonder Stories, and Dime Detective are forever closed to me.

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posted July 16, 2002 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Old Dude   Click Here to Email Old Dude        Reply w/Quote
Due to the popularity of the Doc Savage reprints from Bantam books in the mid-1960s, there was a spate of reprint series from the pulps soon after.

I spent the entire, glorious summer of 1965 (when I was 16) reading Doc Savage, The Shadow, G-8 and His Battle Aces, The Toff, The Continental Op, plus all of ER Burroughs' Pelucidar books, all the James Bond novels, and the original Belmont Shadow series.

How did I have time for comics?!

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Steven Utley
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posted July 28, 2002 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
Another thread being given over for predictions of DC Archive editions in 2003, I hereby open the floor for predictions of next year's 80- or 100-pagers. All we're getting this year, so far as I know, are Shazam! and Wonder Woman; next year, shall we see more replicated Superman, Batman, and Flash books ... or perhaps a "lost" Hawkman, Atom, or DC Funny Folks collection?

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posted July 29, 2002 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
These things are harder to get what feels like a logical handle on than archives are for me--though all the logic in the world wouldn't have told me we were going to see Enemy Ace or another volume of the Hal Jordan Green Lantern this year, or that we wouldn't see even one of JLA, Legion, Hawkman, Atom, or GA Flash.

Anyhow, I'm just going to go with what I want to see:
In facimile editions, I don't need any of the 100-pagers from the early '70s, so I'll selfishly ignore them.
But I'd love to have facimiles of Batman Annual #2, Superman Annual #2, Superboy Annual #1, or Lois Lane Annual #1.The last might be a good feeler for the potential market for a Lois Lane Archive, so I'll pick it.

As far as faux Annuals go, there are so many possibilities.
I'd like to see some "lost" 1940s or early 1950s collections of Golden Age (sorry, Steven) stuff--ideally Annuals of one or more of the anthology titles--say a 1949 Flash Comics or All-American Comics Annual or a 1945 More Fun Comics, Adventure Comics, or Star Spangled Comics Annual or a mid-'40s Annual for any of the Quality or Fawcett anthologies.
If I had to pick one or two from this category, I think I'd want Adventure or More Fun.

From the 1950s, the natural possibilities seem to be from the western and science fiction genres: a "lost" Strange Adventures, Mystery In Space, or [/I]All-Star Western Annual from 1960.
I'll go with Mystery In Space.

And from the late 1960s, what could be better than a Charlton Action Heroes Annual? Maybe they could even duplicate the cheesy paper and printing...

To summarize, my extravagant and probably wholly unrealistic guess for 2003 is:

Facimile Lois Lane Annual #1 and perhaps another of the early Superman or Batman family Annuals.

"Lost" 1945 Adventure Comics Annual and maybe a mid-'40s Annual from one of the Quality titles.

"Lost" Mystery In Space Annual for 1960 or '61.

"Lost" Charlton Action Heroes Annual from 1967.

That's four to six books.
Not very likely, I'll grant you, but most of them could serve as trial balloons for future archive volumes--I have no idea how valid such a test would be, or how much weight DC would give it.

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